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First Look into the AREMA 2022 Annual Conference
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The AREMA 2022 Annual Conference & Expo is almost here! On this episode, Walt chats with two members who play key roles in the success of the event. Mike Freeman, PE (Union Pacific) is President of the AREMA Board of Governors and Joe Bamert, PE (Norfolk Southern Corporation) serves as chair of the Conference Operating Committee which provides valuable volunteers for the Conference. The trio talk about some of the exciting changes planned for the first in-person Conference in two years and dish on some of the "behind the scenes" things they’ve learned from their years of involvement with the event. Gain an insider's perspective on Conference before the event in Denver!
This is the members' conference. Um, it's not to force feed anyone anything. Um, if you don't like the format, be sure and let us know that you don't like the format. And on the flip side, if there are things you really like, uh let us know that as well. So that's you know, having the conference is one thing, but uh getting feedback from the membership is key to making the conference relevant for everyone, making sure that it's the value that you really want in a conference, and that we address the needs of the membership.
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SPEAKER_02Hello and welcome back to another episode of Platform Chats. I cannot believe it, but we are all the way to number 17 on the year. I think this is number seven on the year, roughly. Um to get you guys content once a month. Uh it has been relatively difficult this year. It seems like everything has gone back into full swing as it relates to works and vacations. And if anyone's been to an airport lately, it's pretty obvious that people are trying to get out and get back to quote unquote normal from the pre-pandemic or pandemic days. And that really is the theme of today's podcast because Arima is getting back to its quote-unquote pre-pandemic days, and we are going to have our first in-person conference in two years. And uh, if I had an applause button, like it's a 1960s radio show, I would hit it right now because uh I think people are excited to get back in person. I've personally have been to oh let's see, I've been to a couple committee meetings. I hit committee 10 in June in the St. Louis area, and I hit uh committee 7 in Chicago about a week ago, and it was so good to get back and see folks that you've worked with for so long and just to get caught up. And uh I guess I wasn't the only one that got the COVID-19 extra pounds. Uh I'm not gonna name names on that one either. So, hey, uh hopefully everybody found that somewhat humorous. So, today to address the conference, we've got two guests today. Uh I have Michael Freeman, who is actually acting as our current ARIMA president. Uh, he is the director of structures design at the Union Pacific Railroad. Mike's a great guy. I've known him for a very long time. He's got some fun facts. The guy's a Royals fan. Um, so you guys can weep with him as they lose, or you can cheer with him when they win every win a World Series every 30 years. And uh I also have Joe Bambert from Norfolk Southern. And uh I don't know Joe as well as I do know Michael, and excited to get to know Joe, but Joe is the ARIMA Conference Operating Committee Chairman. So Joe is the guy behind the scenes on almost, well, it looks like, you know, looking at his resume, he's been working with these annual conferences for over 20 years, and uh very excited to hear what he has to say about some of the inner workings of what goes into putting on such a massive conference for our organization. Uh so with that, I don't want to take up any more airtime here. I'm gonna let uh Joe give a brief introduction as to uh his background and and how he became the manager of engineering track systems for for Norfolk Southern Railway. Joe.
SPEAKER_01Well, thank you for having me on the podcast. I appreciate the invitation and the opportunity to speak with you and uh your fellow listeners. Uh as you stated, my name is Joe Bammert, and um I am chairman of the AREMA Conference Operating Committee. Uh, been a AREMA member since uh 2002 when I joined uh Maintenance Way, and one of the first things they asked me to do was join AREMA right away. Um little history about myself. I grew up in the Charleston, South Carolina area, and uh as a child always had a personal interest in the railroad and um you know started with model trains and photography and uh really wanted to get my foot in the door at some point. And um I attended Clemson University with a civil engineering degree and uh went to the co-op office and um looked at opportunities um locally, and uh Norfolk Southern had a uh mechanical department co-op opportunity there at uh Spartanburg, South Carolina at their Hain car shops. Um me being civil, uh we worked through the um um some roadblocks, uh, but was able to land the co-op there at uh Hayne Car Shop uh for two semesters. Unfortunately, the uh car shop got shut down in the mid-90s, and um they transferred uh me and another co-op that were on different rotations uh to the Linwood Rip Track in Linwood, North Carolina, where I finished off um my co-op uh requirements. I did two more semesters there. Um so very successful co-op program uh with Norfolk Southern get my foot in the door. Um one of the nice things about the co-op, uh my shop managers uh they allowed me to shadow other departments. So when I was at Hang Car Shop, I got to go high railing with the track department. Um when I was at Linwood, um got to do a few cab rides with uh transportation. So I really got um some great exposure from that opportunity in college. So I did graduate from Clemson in '97 with a civil engineering degree, and my emphasis was transportation. Um I kind of went a different direction in heavy highway construction right out of school. Uh life happens, and then um I came back to the railroad uh in 2002 and um interviewed, and uh they hired me pretty much right on the spot. Uh went into the management training program and maintenance away and was out there for about six months in uh Knoxville, Tennessee, on the old Central Division, and then um got contacted by Design and Construction in Atlanta about a position that had opened up. So I went into um interview for that and because I had some design experience right out of um uh college there. And then I was with design and construction uh for most of my railroad career, had a brief stent in bridges and structures, uh it was about four months, and then uh came back and um currently I'm in uh with with some restructuring. I'm in the uh engineering technology um group that falls under maintenance away. And uh the work I do is um probably the most um recognizable work I do for Norfolk Southern is uh producer track charts uh among other things in my uh career.
SPEAKER_02Outstanding. And I think uh Mike uh and I both perked up when you said you spent four to six months in the Bridges and Structures group. So we appreciate the fact that you have such an excellent reputation of spending time with us. Mike, you want to follow that?
SPEAKER_03Sure. Uh first of all, thanks again, uh Walt for having me on uh this podcast. Um I hope those that uh the hordes of folks out there listening to the podcast will uh enjoy what we have to say today. But going back to kind of how I got into uh railroad engineering, uh I'm pretty much uh solely a railroad bridge engineer. Uh as I I I graduated from college from Mississippi State University. Um they were the College World Series champions last year, and then our arch rival won it this past year. So, anyway, uh that was the first national championship ever for Mississippi State in any sport. So that was pretty exciting, and being here in Omaha, I really enjoyed that. But anyway, um I went to work uh for Majeskian Masters Engineers, uh Consulting Engineers in New Orleans uh out of college, and I was very fortunate to um work under my supervisor, Don Sorgenfry, uh, who's very well known in the railroad bridge uh field. Um Don was a uh plethora of information and he shared it with us, taught us uh so that kind of got me started into uh bridge engineering in general, and then Majestian Masters uh was uh very involved with the Southern Pacific Transportation Company at the time. Uh and we did a lot of railroad bridge engineering work um from inspections to uh rehab plans to uh responding to emergencies. That was uh probably one of the uh key factors in uh me actually coming to work for Union Pacific is the the experience that I had at Majeskid Masters in the emergency response area. Um I joined um Union Pacific in November of 1997. I was the director of structures design at the time. Um and I've kind of rotated through all the different positions within the bridge department. I spent two years as the director of structures design, and then in uh 1999 I took a field position as the director of bridge maintenance on the northern region. Um, and I worked in that position until 2008, and then uh came back into um centralized engineering as the director of bridge standards and assessment, which basically meant I was in charge of all the bridge inspection activity uh for Union Pacific. I held that position in 2015 where I was asked to fill a need as the director of structures design again. Uh and uh that's the position I currently hold. So that's kind of my my railroad engineering uh background. Uh coming out of college, I had absolutely zero clue that uh I didn't know what AREMA was. Um and uh I've come a long way since that point, just the fact of the matter of people that I've worked under and uh my employers uh have both supported AREMA very wholeheartedly, and uh that's been a big plus for me uh getting to this point.
SPEAKER_02That's a great transition and uh awesome uh introduction from both of you. And I I I just a couple notes I made is it's really cool to see both of you have stayed with the same organization for for over 20 years. Joe looks like you're celebrating your 20th anniversary this year at some point. That's great. And Mike, Mike, you've been there for well over 25. Um, it's just not something I feel like you see as much uh today, and it's cool to see you guys have such uh proud careers at one organization. The other interesting facts here, uh, and maybe you guys didn't know this, but you both lived in South Carolina and Charleston at one point in your lives. I don't know if you knew that, Mike.
SPEAKER_03Uh I did not. I I did uh live in Charleston for a very brief period when uh my father was in the uh in the military. Um and he was stationed at Charleston, South Carolina. Was that Air Force? In the Air Force, yes.
SPEAKER_01Air Force, okay. That that's how my family landed in Charleston, because my dad was Air Force.
SPEAKER_02Uh, landed in Charleston, I see. No pun intended, that was good. And uh both of you uh both work for Class 1 railroads, both work for major freight railroads in the in the country. That just to point out, both those railroads do support uh AREMA activities. And uh both of you have had, I don't want to go through your entire histories here, but both of you have been very active with AREMA for well over 20 years. Now, I will say we've had a lot of podcasts to date talking about all the different uh functional groups, right, and all the different uh the committees, right, that maintain the chapter material. Um I think many people that are in maybe say the design world, when they think of AREMA, they do think of the MRE and they think of each chapter uh having to do with a specific subject in uh design, maintenance, construction of the railway. That said, and I know Mike, you came up through the structures group, that's how I met you. Um, but on the committee operating, conference operating committee, excuse me, the COC, Joe, could you just tell me a little bit about where that falls in the organization? Um is it an actual outstanding committee? How did people get involved with that? That's that'd be something that I think our listeners would be interested to hear.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so the conference operating committee is a group of volunteers that uh volunteer their time during the annual conference. Um we kind of serve as an extension of the arema staff uh to make sure things run smoothly. Um probably the most notable areas you will see us is that registration. Uh we're a familiar face and very familiar with um what's going on, and uh access control to the technical sessions and other uh special programs throughout the conference. Um as far as getting involved, uh we we've had a wait list of people interested. Uh we we keep we keep a roster of about 30. Um uh and that depending on attrition and whatnot, uh we'll bring in new members. And uh typically it's about the first conference is typically probationary, just to make sure this is a right fit uh for that individual and us. Um and during the conference, we're usually volunteering about eight to nine hours per person. And so uh what we we almost have uh 30 people that will be volunteering uh later this month in Denver. So you can imagine the number of hours that we backfill uh for the annual conference.
SPEAKER_02So okay, so you got about 30 folks, and it sounds like you do you you somewhat act like a uh a committee in the sense I see you're a vice chair and a chairman of the committee or the uh of the COC. So are you involved in other arema, like what I would call a uh standard committee?
SPEAKER_01Like yeah, so many of our members are active members in the technical committees. Okay. Um yeah, so it it is is not considered one of the technical committees by no means. Um we we don't have meetings throughout the year. We have one meeting right at the beginning of the conference, uh, which is the one and only chance we can really get together. Um but yeah, we we're just um just a group of volunteers that to help the arema staff um at the annual conference.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so you're really executing on what's being prepared throughout the year for the conference. And Mike, you know, you play a huge role, I know, in the conference. For those of you that are going to Denver, you will see Mike all over the place because he'll be on the stage and he'll have a lot to say. And um maybe Mike, you can talk a little bit about how you're I know you're excited to be coming to to Denver in person in uh in a couple of weeks.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, Walt, it's uh it's really a great thing for everyone to be able to get together face to face, um not too close, but face to face, um and and really enjoy the conference uh the way we have in the past. Um, you know, we've been virtual the last two years, and uh both of those conferences have been huge successes uh from a virtual conference standpoint, but certainly we are all very much looking forward to getting back together uh in person uh to enjoy the conference the way we we've known it in the past. Uh this conference is uh gonna be the same in many ways as our previous conferences, but there are gonna be some changes that uh that people will note as well. And I'm not gonna go into each one of those. Uh some of the some of the changes are gonna be kind of on a trial basis, and we're gonna see how people uh like them or don't like them, and and of course, we always try to adjust the conference format uh based on the feedback we get at the end of the conference to uh make it what the membership really wants. That's the key. Uh, is this the members' conference? Um, it's not to force feed anyone anything. Um, if you don't like the format, be sure and let us know that you don't like the format. And on the flip side, if there are things you really like, uh let us know that as well. So that's you know, having the conference is one thing, but uh getting feedback from the membership is key to making the conference relevant for everyone, making sure that it's the value that you really want in a conference, and that we address the needs of the membership.
SPEAKER_02That could not have been said better, Mike. I appreciate that. I mean, you know, we live in a world now of uh Web 2.0, almost 3.0, where we can interact with just about anybody, and it used to be a one-way uh feed of information to you. Now you can get on there, and if you want to tell your local politician to shove it uh on Twitter, you can. Um it's pretty cool that we as an organization, which is all it's a volunteer organization, right? Uh are actually listening to what our members want. And I I, you know, everybody, I hope you're listening. You heard it here first. There's gonna be some changes uh compared to the conferences you've been to in the past. Now, I I think I know of one of them. I do know that the committee chairman's lunch might be a little different. Is that right, guys? Anybody? What are we gonna say?
SPEAKER_01If you look at the schedule, there is uh not a chairman's luncheon this year. Oh boy. Yeah, there is a joint uh committee breakfast on Sunday that all committee members, um, it's my understanding, um are invited to. So that that is probably the most significant change you will see.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Yeah, I know uh in many years past, uh, I guess it would be when I became chairman, even um actually it's been a long time. I how long ago was it when you actually marched all the chairmen in and they went up front on a long table and they kind of looked out. It was like the world's worst wedding buffet. Do you remember that?
SPEAKER_01That would have been our last year in 2019, I believe.
SPEAKER_02Was it 19?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, Minneapolis. Yeah, I believe we that was the last time we did that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think, you know, look, we're we're an organization that's that's very old, right? We're we're probably over a hundred years old at this point, and uh there's definitely things that have carried over from a hundred years, and there's some things that need to be updated. So I'm excited to see what you guys have done. Um Mike, you're coming in as the president, which I think is a very honorable thing. It's kind of the capstone to your quote-unquote AREMA career. Maybe you could talk just briefly about how you became the president. How does a person become the president of AREMA? Because I think there are those out there right now that believe there is a room with smoke and scotch and leather-bound books where these decisions are made. And maybe that is where it was made, but uh this is your opportunity to debunk it.
SPEAKER_03Well, you know, I I actually served in several uh leadership roles, uh, you know, working up through the functional group level. Uh I was the director of the structures functional group uh from 2015 to 2017, and then uh structures functional group vice president from 17 to 20, and then the senior vice president uh of a Ringo. It's really a three-year obligation um when you're selected to be senior vice president, and there are several criteria that have to be met, and the nominating committee uh searches through the members that meet those criteria, and that's when you get approached uh to possibly become president. Of course, that's the pinnacle, but there's a year before you're president and a year after your president that you're obligated to serve as well, and there are specific job duties uh during those two uh shouldering years of uh being president. Um I wish I knew uh what the all the magic behind the scenes is, but uh I know that I was approached by the nominating committee uh to start that process, and it's been uh quite a fulfilling um period for me. And um I do know that uh it's also very enlightening because you've I think at this point I know about half of what it takes to run a REMA. Uh yeah, I've only been in this, I've I've been senior vice president for one year and president for almost another year, and there are still a lot of behind-the-scenes activities uh that the membership is absolutely totally blind to. Um and then the leadership is half blind to. Um, it's just a it's a very complex organization, and to run an association of the size of a REMA and with the uh diverse interest, uh, you know, you've got people that are uh track-oriented or or bridge oriented. Um there's a lot of diversity uh within the organization. So uh to make sure all the members' needs are met, uh, it's a very difficult task, and um it's it's really amazing to see all the behind-the-scenes activity that goes on to make Arima what it is.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I I'm I'm not quite you. You're you're more of an Icarus, it sounds like you've flown pretty close to the sun here. It doesn't sound like you got burned, but uh you have seen even more than I have as far as what goes on behind the scenes. It does seem to me like the theme for both of you is uh getting involved and and getting involved y getting involved early and often and putting into your organization what you're gonna whatever you put into it's what you're gonna get out of it. Because I know, you know, Mike, I know you've presented at Arima, you know, probably 15 years ago, way before you were uh in any sort of a leadership position. And I'm sure Joe, you're probably in the same boat. Is there anything either of you um I'll start with you, Joe, and then let Mike follow up here. But uh for the younger folks out there, you when they start thinking about, whew, man, and Mike's been involved for 25 years to get to be president. Maybe you don't think about the years, you just think about getting involved and and what the value of getting involved is. Because I mean, looks like you, Joe, you've been very involved for for 20 years.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so I um I my first annual conference was in 2003, and that was in Chicago, and that was eye-opening. It was uh very exciting uh to uh participate uh that first year. And then um in 2006 I studied and um got my PE license and ended up going to the next conference in 2007, and then I just saw the amount of PDHs I got, those professional development hours I got uh from attending a conference, and um I felt like okay, there's gotta be a way for me to go every year. So um our uh um vice president back then was Tim Drake, and he was a large supporter of AREMA, and uh I petitioned uh with uh my supervisors and worked my way up to him to get approval to join the uh conference operating committee. At the time, Larry Etherton, who was with Norfolk Southern, was chairman of uh the Conference Operating Committee, and um uh with his help I was able to uh join the committee enabling me to go every year. Uh and that was in 2008 in Salt Lake City. So ever since 2008, I've been able to go on an annual basis. Um uh when and Steve Morrell, Norfolk Southern, retired. He was vice president, uh excuse me, vice chairman of the conference operating committee, and when he retired, um Larry recommended me to uh step in his place as uh vice chairman and uh the AREMA uh headquarters staff um and CEO approved that uh change. And then um as vice chair, um I was able to um step into Larry Etherton's uh shoes when when he formally retired, and um I've been chairman ever since uh 2016 when we were uh in Orlando. So yeah, it's it's um again, it was probably selfish on my part that I just wanted those PDHs. But also the variety of work I do at Norfolk Southern, um every technical session, those breakout sessions affect me one way or another. You know, even though I'm a civil engineer in transportation, you know, the the CNS stuff uh has an effect on me because I've been involved with uh crossing work and speed studies. So um that may not be my specialty, but that's something I I enjoy uh listening in on and then uh um involvement uh with uh a variety of projects through the years. Uh every area is uh um I I like having that ability to pick and choose um what what I need for my professional development.
SPEAKER_02So it started out with just wanting to get some PDHs, and next thing you know, you're going every year, and the benefit of being exposed to everything going on in the industry is is priceless, is how I wrap that up. Mike, would you say similar for you, or did you come at it from a little different angle?
SPEAKER_03Well, yeah, it is. Uh, you know, one thing that Joe mentioned uh about PDHs, um uh that's just one aspect of the value that a REMA wants to deliver to their membership. Um, you know, it's a fairly uh many companies support their employees and maintaining their PE registrations and PDHs are a requirement there, and uh it's a pretty good value for per PDH hour uh to attend our AREMA events, not only AREMA events, but also AREMA uh committee meetings, and there's several different venues where AREMA members can uh send pick up those PDH hours. Um and you know, one of the things that AREMA uh is going to do in this conference, and they and they've been doing this for for the past several in-person conferences, is concentrating on uh the younger uh members uh of the organization. Uh there's special even special programs for uh what we call the next generation uh to let people let young engineers know what the future is going to be like or what it's been like for you know people who have uh experience. Uh the uh young engineers, the student uh program that's available. So those are just a few venues that will be available to folks at this conference uh for young engineers and young professionals to uh learn about the industry. Uh, and it's really a service that AREMA provides to those those young engineers. So uh you know AREMA offers a lot of different uh advantages to people. Um Joe mentioned exposure to different fields. Uh you can never be too rounded uh if you're uh in the railroad industry. I call myself a railroad bridge engineer, but over time, by accident, I've picked up a lot of information on the track side and signal side that are is very valuable in everything that I do.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's a great place to get exposed to a lot of things going on in the industry, and that leads me to um one of the last topics I wanted to talk a little bit about. Um at the conference, there's still gonna be an expo, right? It's not gonna be as large as maybe the railway interchange expo. And to me, that's where you kind of see uh or in the past you used to see a lot of the heavy equipment and stuff that's just gigantic coming into the into the floor. But um, yeah, that was some neat eye candy, but we're gonna have a lot of vendors there, right, guys? I mean, it it's gonna be in the conference center down there. I'm in Denver now, so it's just downtown here. And uh I I don't know if I don't want to put anybody on the spot here, but do we know how many how many vendors we're gonna have? Roughly.
SPEAKER_03I I don't know the exact number. Um okay, fair enough. But I do know that we have uh about 1,500 attendees signed up to attend the conference, so it's gonna be a very uh good, well-attended uh event. And I would encourage anybody who's on the fence to make that decision to to sign up and and come to Denver at the end of August and and uh and be with us to celebrate.
SPEAKER_01And and to that point, um, yeah, it'll be the expo will be located in the uh Colorado Convention Center. And what's nice about that convention center is that um that expo hall has plenty of elbow room. Uh some of these former venues, uh the ARIMA expo has outgrown uh some of these floor plans. And um I I I think um this expo will be a success this year. The fact that we haven't had it in two plus years, number one, and and the fact that the venue can support uh the these venue vet vendors and suppliers uh that do show up at the expo.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I I know for a fact that uh one like you mentioned going to Chicago in 03. I think that was probably at the Palmer House, Hilton. Does that sound right? Yeah. Yeah, and I mean I remember that place. You know, you went down to the basement to go to the expo hall, and there was you'd walk into a column every six feet uh if you weren't careful. Um and I know uh by experience the conference center and and and the floor plan we're using downtown of Denver is actually the host of the uh Great American Beer Festival. And uh let's just say this, there is plenty of elbow room for people to get in there and do that. So if we can have the GABF there for sure, Areem will be just fine in that space. All right. Well, Mike, I'm gonna let you close it out. I mean, this is your at the uh conference, you you do hand over the gavel, so to speak, right, to the next president. Is that correct?
SPEAKER_03That is correct. Uh we'll be uh I'll be handing the gavel over to uh Trent Hudak. Trent worked for Burlington Northern, and um he's been serving as senior vice president this year and has done a tremendous job uh spearheading a couple of key initiatives to uh make REMA better. And uh I look forward to all that uh Trent's gonna bring to the table next year. He'll do a fine job and uh wish him all the luck in the world.
SPEAKER_02And you've enjoyed your time, right? So you you basically were uh the president, was it September of 21? Does that sound right?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I I took over during the last um uh virtual conference. Hopefully it'll be the last one we'll ever have. But uh you never know. Uh I think uh Arima really showed its flexibility and uh actually again catered to the needs of the membership and uh provided a great venue uh to share information, which is so important. People were able to pick up their PDH hours. Um it's not like sitting down across the table from someone that you know, uh, but it was the next best thing, and it was a very successful way to do things. But we're certainly very excited to be back in person this year in Denver. And I think it'll be a great, great conference, and if you come, you'll you'll be glad you did. Excellent.
SPEAKER_02Guys, uh, on behalf of the AREMA membership, Mike, I'd like to thank you for your service as president this year. And really, that's just you know, that's just one year that uh represents many, many, many years of hours that you have spent um contributing to AREMA, not only the structures functional group. I know you were the chairman of Committee 8, I believe, and concrete and structures and um everything you've done for the organization, we really appreciate it. And Joe, back at you too. Uh thank you for everything you've done for putting together these conferences and helping the AREMA staff execute uh these massive conferences. And while a lot of those people are there just having a good time talking to their peers, you guys are working and and we we notice that, we appreciate it. If you see, I call you guys the blue shirts, but if you see any of the blue shirts at the conference, uh if you see Joe, say hi, tell him you heard him on the podcast, it'd be appreciated. So, gentlemen, I will see you in about three weeks in Denver. Thank you. Sounds good.
SPEAKER_03Thanks for having us.
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